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'Suits' make a beeline for the caravan parks



 
 
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Old July 3rd 06, 10:58 AM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
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Default 'Suits' make a beeline for the caravan parks

John & Lisa wrote:
'Suits' make a beeline for the caravan parks.....

http://www.gmails.co.uk/forums/showt...?p=536#post536

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To save you visiting his **** site

Suits' make a beeline for the caravan parks
Driving down the M4, listening to Radio 5 Live presenters try to get
some sense out of drunk World Cup football fans sitting in the main
square in Stuttgart, I was almost hit by a small house. It was on the
back of a lorry, heading west, destined for a popular holiday park. At
the moment I meandered past, a gust of wind hit the truck and it
lurched into my lane, bringing the mobile home with it.

Fortunately, I wasn't listening to The Archers, or else I wouldn't have
seen it coming.

Half an hour later, as I sped past Swindon, a news bulletin reported
that a south bound lane on the M5 in Gloucestershire had been closed,
causing tailbacks, because a caravan had caught fire. The next update
said ominously that the fire had got worse and now two lanes were
closed.

The family of five, including three young children, were reportedly
standing on the hard shoulder - I imagine in a state of shock.
No wonder caravans, motor homes, in fact any large, white, tinny
looking objects trundling along the roads have a bad reputation.

It makes it even odder that City investors are seen sneaking around
caravan parks. Suits from Jon Moulton's Alchemy Partners, to 3i, Close
Brothers Private Equity, Graphite Capital and ABN Amro have all spent a
jolly weekend analysing the merits of buying into what is one of the
leisure industry's little-known growth stories.

Last week, Legal & General Ventures acquired South Lakeland Caravans,
which owns nine lodge and caravan parks in the Lake District and
Morecambe Bay, for 100m.

In March, Grainger Trust, a quoted Newcastle-based property company,
made a takeover bid for Parkdean Holidays, but was pipped at the post
by Alchemy Partners, which paid about 140m.

The same month, Centre Parcs fell to Blackstone for 205m. In January,
Graphite Capital acquired South coast static caravan park group Cinque
Ports Resorts for about 130m and it has already begun buying up
smaller operators in the south west. Bourne Leisure, the market leader
which operates such brands as British Holidays, Haven and Butlins, is
privately owned.

One reason City finance houses are foaming at the mouth for these
unglamorous assets becomes clear when you pull up at one of Britain's
3,500-plus holiday parks: they're full, and not just for the six weeks
in the summer.

The 1,700 parks where caravans are sited are filling up from March to
November and those that cater for indoor activities can even stay open
over the winter. The latest Mintel report shows the industry is worth
3bn in sales and from 2002 to 2005 the number of holidays taken at UK
holiday centres increased by an average of 2.3pc a year. Prices rose
7.3pc a year.

With planning permission for new sites near impossible to secure, the
cost of pitches - the industry measure for the value of sites,
particularly touring ones, has gone up. According to Huw Rees,
franchise manager at the Camping and Caravanning Club, prices have
doubled in the past three years to 12,000.

This trend and the status of the land for planning purposes is another
reason to get excited. Tony Clish, commercial director of Cinque Ports,
which is rebranding next month to Britannia Holiday Parks, said that
with greenfield land out of bounds, pressure will build on local
authories to allow the finite number of camp sites to be used more
intensively, giving owners the chance to pitch lucrative development
projects.

"You still need the consent of the local planning department, but it's
a more straightforward process to develop a holiday park on a touring
park," he said. "You can go beyond that - they have potential for
housing, retail and mixed use, a hotel for instance."

For the present, the market dynamics - growing demand and static supply
- underpin the attraction of the business model. Mr Clish said: "It's
quite a cash generative business and it suits the highly leveraged deal
structure as the assets, the land, are substantial. And there's very
little goodwill involved, which allows a lot of bank debt to be
involved."

ABN Amro's Ian Taylor said that static holiday home sites, in
particular, appeal to investors as the customers are a "captive market"
- they are first sold the homes for between 10,000 and 100,000,
then they pay an annual pitch fee (for Cinque Ports this stands at
between 1,500 and 4,000).

When on holiday - and many static caravan and lodge owners use their
places most weekends - there are goods and services to be bought,
ranging from the site shop, to bars and entertainment. There are also
savings to be had from consolidating the industry further - the
regional and national chains only control 5pc. "Clearly there's lots of
opportunity to consolidate," said Adrian Johnson, chief executive of L
& G Ventures.
This is all an anathema to traditional camping and touring clubs, such
as the Camping and Caravanning Club and The Caravan Club, which between
them have around 1.5m members.

"The prices people are putting on sites is getting ridiculous," said
Trevor Woodward, head of the CCC's site committee. "The large companies
are pushing into the chains and raises prices."

With prices rising the club, a non-profit making organisation, is
finding it more difficult to acquire enough pitches to cater for its
growing membership. "If you were to buy a green field site for 100
touring pitches and develop it to our standards you are now looking at
3m to 3.5m," said chairman David Batty, a softly spoken Scot.
The club has even turned its own hand to holiday home sites, taking
several touring sites that were not popular and turning them into
static sites "to generate more revenue". "It was a trial that turned
out to be very successful," said Mr Batty.

But the strict club rules still apply. The homes cannot be sublet to
non-members. "One of the blights of camping is the big home sites near
the coast where partying goes on whatever time," said Mr Batty. "Don't
get the impression we are tee totallers. We just all fall over quietly
at about three minutes to 11."
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Old July 3rd 06, 10:58 AM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
Geo
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Default 'Suits' make a beeline for the caravan parks

John & Lisa wrote:
'Suits' make a beeline for the caravan parks.....

http://www.gmails.co.uk/forums/showt...?p=536#post536

--
John
GMails - The Caravan & Camping bit of the web
www.gmails.co.uk/forums


To save you visiting his **** site

Suits' make a beeline for the caravan parks
Driving down the M4, listening to Radio 5 Live presenters try to get
some sense out of drunk World Cup football fans sitting in the main
square in Stuttgart, I was almost hit by a small house. It was on the
back of a lorry, heading west, destined for a popular holiday park. At
the moment I meandered past, a gust of wind hit the truck and it
lurched into my lane, bringing the mobile home with it.

Fortunately, I wasn't listening to The Archers, or else I wouldn't have
seen it coming.

Half an hour later, as I sped past Swindon, a news bulletin reported
that a south bound lane on the M5 in Gloucestershire had been closed,
causing tailbacks, because a caravan had caught fire. The next update
said ominously that the fire had got worse and now two lanes were
closed.

The family of five, including three young children, were reportedly
standing on the hard shoulder - I imagine in a state of shock.
No wonder caravans, motor homes, in fact any large, white, tinny
looking objects trundling along the roads have a bad reputation.

It makes it even odder that City investors are seen sneaking around
caravan parks. Suits from Jon Moulton's Alchemy Partners, to 3i, Close
Brothers Private Equity, Graphite Capital and ABN Amro have all spent a
jolly weekend analysing the merits of buying into what is one of the
leisure industry's little-known growth stories.

Last week, Legal & General Ventures acquired South Lakeland Caravans,
which owns nine lodge and caravan parks in the Lake District and
Morecambe Bay, for 100m.

In March, Grainger Trust, a quoted Newcastle-based property company,
made a takeover bid for Parkdean Holidays, but was pipped at the post
by Alchemy Partners, which paid about 140m.

The same month, Centre Parcs fell to Blackstone for 205m. In January,
Graphite Capital acquired South coast static caravan park group Cinque
Ports Resorts for about 130m and it has already begun buying up
smaller operators in the south west. Bourne Leisure, the market leader
which operates such brands as British Holidays, Haven and Butlins, is
privately owned.

One reason City finance houses are foaming at the mouth for these
unglamorous assets becomes clear when you pull up at one of Britain's
3,500-plus holiday parks: they're full, and not just for the six weeks
in the summer.

The 1,700 parks where caravans are sited are filling up from March to
November and those that cater for indoor activities can even stay open
over the winter. The latest Mintel report shows the industry is worth
3bn in sales and from 2002 to 2005 the number of holidays taken at UK
holiday centres increased by an average of 2.3pc a year. Prices rose
7.3pc a year.

With planning permission for new sites near impossible to secure, the
cost of pitches - the industry measure for the value of sites,
particularly touring ones, has gone up. According to Huw Rees,
franchise manager at the Camping and Caravanning Club, prices have
doubled in the past three years to 12,000.

This trend and the status of the land for planning purposes is another
reason to get excited. Tony Clish, commercial director of Cinque Ports,
which is rebranding next month to Britannia Holiday Parks, said that
with greenfield land out of bounds, pressure will build on local
authories to allow the finite number of camp sites to be used more
intensively, giving owners the chance to pitch lucrative development
projects.

"You still need the consent of the local planning department, but it's
a more straightforward process to develop a holiday park on a touring
park," he said. "You can go beyond that - they have potential for
housing, retail and mixed use, a hotel for instance."

For the present, the market dynamics - growing demand and static supply
- underpin the attraction of the business model. Mr Clish said: "It's
quite a cash generative business and it suits the highly leveraged deal
structure as the assets, the land, are substantial. And there's very
little goodwill involved, which allows a lot of bank debt to be
involved."

ABN Amro's Ian Taylor said that static holiday home sites, in
particular, appeal to investors as the customers are a "captive market"
- they are first sold the homes for between 10,000 and 100,000,
then they pay an annual pitch fee (for Cinque Ports this stands at
between 1,500 and 4,000).

When on holiday - and many static caravan and lodge owners use their
places most weekends - there are goods and services to be bought,
ranging from the site shop, to bars and entertainment. There are also
savings to be had from consolidating the industry further - the
regional and national chains only control 5pc. "Clearly there's lots of
opportunity to consolidate," said Adrian Johnson, chief executive of L
& G Ventures.
This is all an anathema to traditional camping and touring clubs, such
as the Camping and Caravanning Club and The Caravan Club, which between
them have around 1.5m members.

"The prices people are putting on sites is getting ridiculous," said
Trevor Woodward, head of the CCC's site committee. "The large companies
are pushing into the chains and raises prices."

With prices rising the club, a non-profit making organisation, is
finding it more difficult to acquire enough pitches to cater for its
growing membership. "If you were to buy a green field site for 100
touring pitches and develop it to our standards you are now looking at
3m to 3.5m," said chairman David Batty, a softly spoken Scot.
The club has even turned its own hand to holiday home sites, taking
several touring sites that were not popular and turning them into
static sites "to generate more revenue". "It was a trial that turned
out to be very successful," said Mr Batty.

But the strict club rules still apply. The homes cannot be sublet to
non-members. "One of the blights of camping is the big home sites near
the coast where partying goes on whatever time," said Mr Batty. "Don't
get the impression we are tee totallers. We just all fall over quietly
at about three minutes to 11."
__________________
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Old July 3rd 06, 10:58 AM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
Geo
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Posts: 217
Default 'Suits' make a beeline for the caravan parks

John & Lisa wrote:
'Suits' make a beeline for the caravan parks.....

http://www.gmails.co.uk/forums/showt...?p=536#post536

--
John
GMails - The Caravan & Camping bit of the web
www.gmails.co.uk/forums


To save you visiting his **** site

Suits' make a beeline for the caravan parks
Driving down the M4, listening to Radio 5 Live presenters try to get
some sense out of drunk World Cup football fans sitting in the main
square in Stuttgart, I was almost hit by a small house. It was on the
back of a lorry, heading west, destined for a popular holiday park. At
the moment I meandered past, a gust of wind hit the truck and it
lurched into my lane, bringing the mobile home with it.

Fortunately, I wasn't listening to The Archers, or else I wouldn't have
seen it coming.

Half an hour later, as I sped past Swindon, a news bulletin reported
that a south bound lane on the M5 in Gloucestershire had been closed,
causing tailbacks, because a caravan had caught fire. The next update
said ominously that the fire had got worse and now two lanes were
closed.

The family of five, including three young children, were reportedly
standing on the hard shoulder - I imagine in a state of shock.
No wonder caravans, motor homes, in fact any large, white, tinny
looking objects trundling along the roads have a bad reputation.

It makes it even odder that City investors are seen sneaking around
caravan parks. Suits from Jon Moulton's Alchemy Partners, to 3i, Close
Brothers Private Equity, Graphite Capital and ABN Amro have all spent a
jolly weekend analysing the merits of buying into what is one of the
leisure industry's little-known growth stories.

Last week, Legal & General Ventures acquired South Lakeland Caravans,
which owns nine lodge and caravan parks in the Lake District and
Morecambe Bay, for 100m.

In March, Grainger Trust, a quoted Newcastle-based property company,
made a takeover bid for Parkdean Holidays, but was pipped at the post
by Alchemy Partners, which paid about 140m.

The same month, Centre Parcs fell to Blackstone for 205m. In January,
Graphite Capital acquired South coast static caravan park group Cinque
Ports Resorts for about 130m and it has already begun buying up
smaller operators in the south west. Bourne Leisure, the market leader
which operates such brands as British Holidays, Haven and Butlins, is
privately owned.

One reason City finance houses are foaming at the mouth for these
unglamorous assets becomes clear when you pull up at one of Britain's
3,500-plus holiday parks: they're full, and not just for the six weeks
in the summer.

The 1,700 parks where caravans are sited are filling up from March to
November and those that cater for indoor activities can even stay open
over the winter. The latest Mintel report shows the industry is worth
3bn in sales and from 2002 to 2005 the number of holidays taken at UK
holiday centres increased by an average of 2.3pc a year. Prices rose
7.3pc a year.

With planning permission for new sites near impossible to secure, the
cost of pitches - the industry measure for the value of sites,
particularly touring ones, has gone up. According to Huw Rees,
franchise manager at the Camping and Caravanning Club, prices have
doubled in the past three years to 12,000.

This trend and the status of the land for planning purposes is another
reason to get excited. Tony Clish, commercial director of Cinque Ports,
which is rebranding next month to Britannia Holiday Parks, said that
with greenfield land out of bounds, pressure will build on local
authories to allow the finite number of camp sites to be used more
intensively, giving owners the chance to pitch lucrative development
projects.

"You still need the consent of the local planning department, but it's
a more straightforward process to develop a holiday park on a touring
park," he said. "You can go beyond that - they have potential for
housing, retail and mixed use, a hotel for instance."

For the present, the market dynamics - growing demand and static supply
- underpin the attraction of the business model. Mr Clish said: "It's
quite a cash generative business and it suits the highly leveraged deal
structure as the assets, the land, are substantial. And there's very
little goodwill involved, which allows a lot of bank debt to be
involved."

ABN Amro's Ian Taylor said that static holiday home sites, in
particular, appeal to investors as the customers are a "captive market"
- they are first sold the homes for between 10,000 and 100,000,
then they pay an annual pitch fee (for Cinque Ports this stands at
between 1,500 and 4,000).

When on holiday - and many static caravan and lodge owners use their
places most weekends - there are goods and services to be bought,
ranging from the site shop, to bars and entertainment. There are also
savings to be had from consolidating the industry further - the
regional and national chains only control 5pc. "Clearly there's lots of
opportunity to consolidate," said Adrian Johnson, chief executive of L
& G Ventures.
This is all an anathema to traditional camping and touring clubs, such
as the Camping and Caravanning Club and The Caravan Club, which between
them have around 1.5m members.

"The prices people are putting on sites is getting ridiculous," said
Trevor Woodward, head of the CCC's site committee. "The large companies
are pushing into the chains and raises prices."

With prices rising the club, a non-profit making organisation, is
finding it more difficult to acquire enough pitches to cater for its
growing membership. "If you were to buy a green field site for 100
touring pitches and develop it to our standards you are now looking at
3m to 3.5m," said chairman David Batty, a softly spoken Scot.
The club has even turned its own hand to holiday home sites, taking
several touring sites that were not popular and turning them into
static sites "to generate more revenue". "It was a trial that turned
out to be very successful," said Mr Batty.

But the strict club rules still apply. The homes cannot be sublet to
non-members. "One of the blights of camping is the big home sites near
the coast where partying goes on whatever time," said Mr Batty. "Don't
get the impression we are tee totallers. We just all fall over quietly
at about three minutes to 11."
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Old July 3rd 06, 11:44 AM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
John & Lisa
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Default 'Suits' make a beeline for the caravan parks

"Geo" wrote in message

"To save you visiting his **** site...."

Er hello, Usenet caravanning have not covered this story, until I posted the
link to my forums and you took the text off the forums, which is fine.
However, you find that my site is so ****e, you have to extract the
information to provide to Usenet...eehhh !
You are nothing lesss than a hypocrite Geo.
--
John
GMails - The Caravan & Camping bit of the web
www.gmails.co.uk/forums


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Old July 3rd 06, 11:44 AM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
John & Lisa
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Posts: 32
Default 'Suits' make a beeline for the caravan parks

"Geo" wrote in message

"To save you visiting his **** site...."

Er hello, Usenet caravanning have not covered this story, until I posted the
link to my forums and you took the text off the forums, which is fine.
However, you find that my site is so ****e, you have to extract the
information to provide to Usenet...eehhh !
You are nothing lesss than a hypocrite Geo.
--
John
GMails - The Caravan & Camping bit of the web
www.gmails.co.uk/forums


  #7 (permalink)  
Old July 3rd 06, 11:44 AM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
John & Lisa
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 32
Default 'Suits' make a beeline for the caravan parks

"Geo" wrote in message

"To save you visiting his **** site...."

Er hello, Usenet caravanning have not covered this story, until I posted the
link to my forums and you took the text off the forums, which is fine.
However, you find that my site is so ****e, you have to extract the
information to provide to Usenet...eehhh !
You are nothing lesss than a hypocrite Geo.
--
John
GMails - The Caravan & Camping bit of the web
www.gmails.co.uk/forums


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Old July 3rd 06, 12:29 PM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
Geo
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Posts: 217
Default 'Suits' make a beeline for the caravan parks


John & Lisa wrote:
"Geo" wrote in message

"To save you visiting his **** site...."

Er hello, Usenet caravanning have not covered this story, until I posted the
link to my forums and you took the text off the forums, which is fine.
However, you find that my site is so ****e, you have to extract the
information to provide to Usenet...eehhh !
You are nothing lesss than a hypocrite Geo.
--
John
GMails - The Caravan & Camping bit of the web
www.gmails.co.uk/forums


Just doing my bit to keep your hit count down.... parasite

  #9 (permalink)  
Old July 3rd 06, 12:29 PM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
Geo
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 217
Default 'Suits' make a beeline for the caravan parks


John & Lisa wrote:
"Geo" wrote in message

"To save you visiting his **** site...."

Er hello, Usenet caravanning have not covered this story, until I posted the
link to my forums and you took the text off the forums, which is fine.
However, you find that my site is so ****e, you have to extract the
information to provide to Usenet...eehhh !
You are nothing lesss than a hypocrite Geo.
--
John
GMails - The Caravan & Camping bit of the web
www.gmails.co.uk/forums


Just doing my bit to keep your hit count down.... parasite

  #10 (permalink)  
Old July 3rd 06, 12:29 PM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
Geo
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 217
Default 'Suits' make a beeline for the caravan parks


John & Lisa wrote:
"Geo" wrote in message

"To save you visiting his **** site...."

Er hello, Usenet caravanning have not covered this story, until I posted the
link to my forums and you took the text off the forums, which is fine.
However, you find that my site is so ****e, you have to extract the
information to provide to Usenet...eehhh !
You are nothing lesss than a hypocrite Geo.
--
John
GMails - The Caravan & Camping bit of the web
www.gmails.co.uk/forums


Just doing my bit to keep your hit count down.... parasite

 



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