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Old July 15th 06, 10:32 PM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
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The more i read into purchasing a static caravan the more i am put off buying one.

A story i was told by a friend about a guy who bought a static for 30 grand had it a year and was pushed to selling it back to the site due to poor health and they bought it back for 18000 and put it up for sale for 30000.

Most sites dont let you put you own static on there , some do and charge 2000 for it to be put on there site.

If i buy one i would like to be able to sell to whom i liked when i like and for how much i like, does anyone know of any caravan parks where this applies.

Thanks for any help given.

Dave


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Old July 16th 06, 12:45 AM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
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wrote in message ...
The more i read into purchasing a static caravan the more i am put off

buying one.

A story i was told by a friend about a guy who bought a static for 30

grand had it a year and was pushed to selling it back to the site due to
poor health and they bought it back for 18000 and put it up for sale for
30000.

Most sites dont let you put you own static on there , some do and charge

2000 for it to be put on there site.

If i buy one i would like to be able to sell to whom i liked when i like

and for how much i like, does anyone know of any caravan parks where this
applies.

Thanks for any help given.


It's your van so you can sell to who ever you like and no site owner can
stop you. But the pitch is theirs so they can rent it out to who ever they
like and if they choose not to rent it to your buyer, or ask a silly rent,
there's nothing you can do about it, it's their land after all. The site
owner may give you a contract that gives you ongoing rights to rent from
them subject to conditions, as I do with Haven, but they don't have a
contract with who ever you sell it to so are under no obligations.

When a site owner sells you a van they are a retailer and make a profit from
it, just as Curry's do when they sell you a telly except the profit on a
30k van is a bit bigger!. If they rent a pitch to someone who brings their
own van they don't get that profit, so it's obvious they will choose to rent
a vacant pitch to someone who buys from them.

They're in business to make money, and we're talking big money, Haven have
just spend 6.5M on a pool complex at Primrose Valley never mind the ongoing
re-development of the pitches, yet there is a steady stream of owners
complaining that they don't act like some sort of charity, well dur 8-).

On the bigger sites the entertainment is as big a factor as the pitches,
your site fees are paying for 8 season passes to the clubs and pools whether
you use them or not.

Two things catch most people, the fact they're buying on HP over typically 7
years and the huge depreciation. The combination of which means that when
they try to back out after a year or two they find they still owe the HP
company a LOT of money and the van isn't worth enough to cover it, so they
have to pay the HP company to get out. For some reason they expect to walk
away with a profit as if it were a house that appreciates in value, yet it's
far more like a luxury car that plummets in value.

The people that get into this trap don't like to admit it was their mistake
so make up stories like the one you mention which is patently untrue as they
can't sell a second hand van for the price of a new one!. Also the language
is often very emotive such as "pushed", did they intimidate him?, I doubt
it. The truth was probably that he could have sold to who ever he wanted at
what ever price he could get, but the site owners would not make a rental
agreement with any new owner who would have then had to find a new site that
would take him, it's their land and they can make more profit by selling a
new van. So the site owner makes a low offer that will give him the same
profit as if he sold a new van, and gets labelled as some sort of crook, in
reality he probably couldn't have got as much selling privately because of
the problems the buyer would have had finding a new site.

I live near Filey and this coast has a very large number of static's, and
the local press often has stories from disgruntled owners, but most don't
stand up to the slightest scrutiny. The classic one is the pensioners who
claim the park is turning them out of their home so they'll be homeless,
simply because they can't pay the fees!. Hang on a bit, these are holiday
homes with an 11 month occupancy so you can't legally use one as your
permanent residence, and why should the park let people use their land and
facilities for free?, minor issues that don't stop the papers printing the
story of course 8-).

I'm not saying the parks are squeaky clean, I think their sales pitch often
borders on fraud (e.g. the first years site fees are "free" when in reality
they are added to the HP), they certainly paint a very rosy picture and
don't mention the down side, but it's no worse than you get from an estate
agent or car salesman 8-).

One last point to take into consideration, these vans look lovely to the
casual inspection but look closely and they are all, without exception,
built like **** from bits of crap wood held together by staples and tacks
and loosely covered by bits of plastic. In less than two years both arms of
the fitted settee have fallen off, the cooker packed up, the boiler packed
up, the electrics needed repair, the trims have fallen off in many places,
the door locks have had to be adjusted, doors have had to be re-hung, a pipe
burst through lack of lagging, water has swelled the work tops, and a mirror
broke because it was tightened up too much. If I wasn't into DIY it would
have cost a small fortune in repair bills.

Greg


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Old July 16th 06, 12:45 AM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
Greg
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Default static caravan decision

wrote in message ...
The more i read into purchasing a static caravan the more i am put off

buying one.

A story i was told by a friend about a guy who bought a static for 30

grand had it a year and was pushed to selling it back to the site due to
poor health and they bought it back for 18000 and put it up for sale for
30000.

Most sites dont let you put you own static on there , some do and charge

2000 for it to be put on there site.

If i buy one i would like to be able to sell to whom i liked when i like

and for how much i like, does anyone know of any caravan parks where this
applies.

Thanks for any help given.


It's your van so you can sell to who ever you like and no site owner can
stop you. But the pitch is theirs so they can rent it out to who ever they
like and if they choose not to rent it to your buyer, or ask a silly rent,
there's nothing you can do about it, it's their land after all. The site
owner may give you a contract that gives you ongoing rights to rent from
them subject to conditions, as I do with Haven, but they don't have a
contract with who ever you sell it to so are under no obligations.

When a site owner sells you a van they are a retailer and make a profit from
it, just as Curry's do when they sell you a telly except the profit on a
30k van is a bit bigger!. If they rent a pitch to someone who brings their
own van they don't get that profit, so it's obvious they will choose to rent
a vacant pitch to someone who buys from them.

They're in business to make money, and we're talking big money, Haven have
just spend 6.5M on a pool complex at Primrose Valley never mind the ongoing
re-development of the pitches, yet there is a steady stream of owners
complaining that they don't act like some sort of charity, well dur 8-).

On the bigger sites the entertainment is as big a factor as the pitches,
your site fees are paying for 8 season passes to the clubs and pools whether
you use them or not.

Two things catch most people, the fact they're buying on HP over typically 7
years and the huge depreciation. The combination of which means that when
they try to back out after a year or two they find they still owe the HP
company a LOT of money and the van isn't worth enough to cover it, so they
have to pay the HP company to get out. For some reason they expect to walk
away with a profit as if it were a house that appreciates in value, yet it's
far more like a luxury car that plummets in value.

The people that get into this trap don't like to admit it was their mistake
so make up stories like the one you mention which is patently untrue as they
can't sell a second hand van for the price of a new one!. Also the language
is often very emotive such as "pushed", did they intimidate him?, I doubt
it. The truth was probably that he could have sold to who ever he wanted at
what ever price he could get, but the site owners would not make a rental
agreement with any new owner who would have then had to find a new site that
would take him, it's their land and they can make more profit by selling a
new van. So the site owner makes a low offer that will give him the same
profit as if he sold a new van, and gets labelled as some sort of crook, in
reality he probably couldn't have got as much selling privately because of
the problems the buyer would have had finding a new site.

I live near Filey and this coast has a very large number of static's, and
the local press often has stories from disgruntled owners, but most don't
stand up to the slightest scrutiny. The classic one is the pensioners who
claim the park is turning them out of their home so they'll be homeless,
simply because they can't pay the fees!. Hang on a bit, these are holiday
homes with an 11 month occupancy so you can't legally use one as your
permanent residence, and why should the park let people use their land and
facilities for free?, minor issues that don't stop the papers printing the
story of course 8-).

I'm not saying the parks are squeaky clean, I think their sales pitch often
borders on fraud (e.g. the first years site fees are "free" when in reality
they are added to the HP), they certainly paint a very rosy picture and
don't mention the down side, but it's no worse than you get from an estate
agent or car salesman 8-).

One last point to take into consideration, these vans look lovely to the
casual inspection but look closely and they are all, without exception,
built like **** from bits of crap wood held together by staples and tacks
and loosely covered by bits of plastic. In less than two years both arms of
the fitted settee have fallen off, the cooker packed up, the boiler packed
up, the electrics needed repair, the trims have fallen off in many places,
the door locks have had to be adjusted, doors have had to be re-hung, a pipe
burst through lack of lagging, water has swelled the work tops, and a mirror
broke because it was tightened up too much. If I wasn't into DIY it would
have cost a small fortune in repair bills.

Greg


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Old July 16th 06, 12:45 AM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
Greg
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Posts: 15
Default static caravan decision

wrote in message ...
The more i read into purchasing a static caravan the more i am put off

buying one.

A story i was told by a friend about a guy who bought a static for 30

grand had it a year and was pushed to selling it back to the site due to
poor health and they bought it back for 18000 and put it up for sale for
30000.

Most sites dont let you put you own static on there , some do and charge

2000 for it to be put on there site.

If i buy one i would like to be able to sell to whom i liked when i like

and for how much i like, does anyone know of any caravan parks where this
applies.

Thanks for any help given.


It's your van so you can sell to who ever you like and no site owner can
stop you. But the pitch is theirs so they can rent it out to who ever they
like and if they choose not to rent it to your buyer, or ask a silly rent,
there's nothing you can do about it, it's their land after all. The site
owner may give you a contract that gives you ongoing rights to rent from
them subject to conditions, as I do with Haven, but they don't have a
contract with who ever you sell it to so are under no obligations.

When a site owner sells you a van they are a retailer and make a profit from
it, just as Curry's do when they sell you a telly except the profit on a
30k van is a bit bigger!. If they rent a pitch to someone who brings their
own van they don't get that profit, so it's obvious they will choose to rent
a vacant pitch to someone who buys from them.

They're in business to make money, and we're talking big money, Haven have
just spend 6.5M on a pool complex at Primrose Valley never mind the ongoing
re-development of the pitches, yet there is a steady stream of owners
complaining that they don't act like some sort of charity, well dur 8-).

On the bigger sites the entertainment is as big a factor as the pitches,
your site fees are paying for 8 season passes to the clubs and pools whether
you use them or not.

Two things catch most people, the fact they're buying on HP over typically 7
years and the huge depreciation. The combination of which means that when
they try to back out after a year or two they find they still owe the HP
company a LOT of money and the van isn't worth enough to cover it, so they
have to pay the HP company to get out. For some reason they expect to walk
away with a profit as if it were a house that appreciates in value, yet it's
far more like a luxury car that plummets in value.

The people that get into this trap don't like to admit it was their mistake
so make up stories like the one you mention which is patently untrue as they
can't sell a second hand van for the price of a new one!. Also the language
is often very emotive such as "pushed", did they intimidate him?, I doubt
it. The truth was probably that he could have sold to who ever he wanted at
what ever price he could get, but the site owners would not make a rental
agreement with any new owner who would have then had to find a new site that
would take him, it's their land and they can make more profit by selling a
new van. So the site owner makes a low offer that will give him the same
profit as if he sold a new van, and gets labelled as some sort of crook, in
reality he probably couldn't have got as much selling privately because of
the problems the buyer would have had finding a new site.

I live near Filey and this coast has a very large number of static's, and
the local press often has stories from disgruntled owners, but most don't
stand up to the slightest scrutiny. The classic one is the pensioners who
claim the park is turning them out of their home so they'll be homeless,
simply because they can't pay the fees!. Hang on a bit, these are holiday
homes with an 11 month occupancy so you can't legally use one as your
permanent residence, and why should the park let people use their land and
facilities for free?, minor issues that don't stop the papers printing the
story of course 8-).

I'm not saying the parks are squeaky clean, I think their sales pitch often
borders on fraud (e.g. the first years site fees are "free" when in reality
they are added to the HP), they certainly paint a very rosy picture and
don't mention the down side, but it's no worse than you get from an estate
agent or car salesman 8-).

One last point to take into consideration, these vans look lovely to the
casual inspection but look closely and they are all, without exception,
built like **** from bits of crap wood held together by staples and tacks
and loosely covered by bits of plastic. In less than two years both arms of
the fitted settee have fallen off, the cooker packed up, the boiler packed
up, the electrics needed repair, the trims have fallen off in many places,
the door locks have had to be adjusted, doors have had to be re-hung, a pipe
burst through lack of lagging, water has swelled the work tops, and a mirror
broke because it was tightened up too much. If I wasn't into DIY it would
have cost a small fortune in repair bills.

Greg


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Old July 16th 06, 04:17 PM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
Stumo
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Default static caravan decision

I'll second everything that has been said. Also, if you decide to resell,
Bourne Leisure insist on handling your sale, and they will and do poach your
potential buyers, to the point they will talk them out of buying your van
even if they are really interested in the first place. Please think
carefully, vans depreciate at something like 35% a year. It's a lot of money
to lose. Also the lettings income just about covers the site fees - you
won't make a profit on it - we used to claim a tax rebate every year on the
paper loss we made.

Jane


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Old July 16th 06, 04:17 PM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
Stumo
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Posts: 44
Default static caravan decision

I'll second everything that has been said. Also, if you decide to resell,
Bourne Leisure insist on handling your sale, and they will and do poach your
potential buyers, to the point they will talk them out of buying your van
even if they are really interested in the first place. Please think
carefully, vans depreciate at something like 35% a year. It's a lot of money
to lose. Also the lettings income just about covers the site fees - you
won't make a profit on it - we used to claim a tax rebate every year on the
paper loss we made.

Jane


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Old July 16th 06, 04:17 PM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
Stumo
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Posts: 44
Default static caravan decision

I'll second everything that has been said. Also, if you decide to resell,
Bourne Leisure insist on handling your sale, and they will and do poach your
potential buyers, to the point they will talk them out of buying your van
even if they are really interested in the first place. Please think
carefully, vans depreciate at something like 35% a year. It's a lot of money
to lose. Also the lettings income just about covers the site fees - you
won't make a profit on it - we used to claim a tax rebate every year on the
paper loss we made.

Jane


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Old July 16th 06, 05:31 PM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
Greg
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Default static caravan decision

"Stumo" wrote in message
...
I'll second everything that has been said. Also, if you decide to resell,
Bourne Leisure insist on handling your sale, and they will and do poach

your
potential buyers, to the point they will talk them out of buying your van
even if they are really interested in the first place.


As far as my contract with them is concerned they can insist till they're
blue in the face as they have no legal right!, it's my property and their
contract doesn't say otherwise, I doubt it legally could.

However, I'm sure they will try to make people THINK they have to sell
through them if it suits them, but the contract only says that if the new
owner is to be guaranteed a pitch (and not even the current pitch) then you
have to notify them of the sale, use their sale form, and offer it to them,
which of course lets them get their claws into your potential buyers and
persuade them otherwise. There is nothing in my contract that says I can't
sell it to who ever I want and simply notify them after the event, though I
believe they have to be involved in the removal process as it is their land
after all, and there is often risk and disruption involved.

In fact when I considered selling at the end of last season they told me
they weren't really interested in buying it and advised me to sell
privately. They would far prefer me to just sell privately and leave a
vacancy in Aspen Court which they could use to sell a nice expensive new
van, second hand vans being banned in the newer parts of the park.

Greg


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Old July 16th 06, 05:31 PM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
Greg
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Posts: 15
Default static caravan decision

"Stumo" wrote in message
...
I'll second everything that has been said. Also, if you decide to resell,
Bourne Leisure insist on handling your sale, and they will and do poach

your
potential buyers, to the point they will talk them out of buying your van
even if they are really interested in the first place.


As far as my contract with them is concerned they can insist till they're
blue in the face as they have no legal right!, it's my property and their
contract doesn't say otherwise, I doubt it legally could.

However, I'm sure they will try to make people THINK they have to sell
through them if it suits them, but the contract only says that if the new
owner is to be guaranteed a pitch (and not even the current pitch) then you
have to notify them of the sale, use their sale form, and offer it to them,
which of course lets them get their claws into your potential buyers and
persuade them otherwise. There is nothing in my contract that says I can't
sell it to who ever I want and simply notify them after the event, though I
believe they have to be involved in the removal process as it is their land
after all, and there is often risk and disruption involved.

In fact when I considered selling at the end of last season they told me
they weren't really interested in buying it and advised me to sell
privately. They would far prefer me to just sell privately and leave a
vacancy in Aspen Court which they could use to sell a nice expensive new
van, second hand vans being banned in the newer parts of the park.

Greg


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Old July 16th 06, 05:31 PM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
Greg
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Posts: 15
Default static caravan decision

"Stumo" wrote in message
...
I'll second everything that has been said. Also, if you decide to resell,
Bourne Leisure insist on handling your sale, and they will and do poach

your
potential buyers, to the point they will talk them out of buying your van
even if they are really interested in the first place.


As far as my contract with them is concerned they can insist till they're
blue in the face as they have no legal right!, it's my property and their
contract doesn't say otherwise, I doubt it legally could.

However, I'm sure they will try to make people THINK they have to sell
through them if it suits them, but the contract only says that if the new
owner is to be guaranteed a pitch (and not even the current pitch) then you
have to notify them of the sale, use their sale form, and offer it to them,
which of course lets them get their claws into your potential buyers and
persuade them otherwise. There is nothing in my contract that says I can't
sell it to who ever I want and simply notify them after the event, though I
believe they have to be involved in the removal process as it is their land
after all, and there is often risk and disruption involved.

In fact when I considered selling at the end of last season they told me
they weren't really interested in buying it and advised me to sell
privately. They would far prefer me to just sell privately and leave a
vacancy in Aspen Court which they could use to sell a nice expensive new
van, second hand vans being banned in the newer parts of the park.

Greg


 



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