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Old October 17th 03, 04:45 PM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
Mot
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Just to clarify what it says in the handbook (Peugeot 806)
Unladen Weight-- 1595
Gross vehicle weight--2395
Gross train Weight--3695
Gross trailer weight (with brakes)--1300
Gross trailer weight (without breaks--750
Trailer nose weight--60
It appears that the 1300Kgm GTW is derived from GTrainW-GVW (3695-
2395). if the towing vehicle is not fully loaded (i.e. up to 2395) could
I tow a heavier trailer?

I would be grateful for any advice.
Mot

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Old October 17th 03, 05:51 PM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
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Mot wrote:

Just to clarify what it says in the handbook (Peugeot 806)
Unladen Weight-- 1595
Gross vehicle weight--2395
Gross train Weight--3695
Gross trailer weight (with brakes)--1300
Gross trailer weight (without breaks--750
Trailer nose weight--60
It appears that the 1300Kgm GTW is derived from GTrainW-GVW (3695-
2395). if the towing vehicle is not fully loaded (i.e. up to 2395) could
I tow a heavier trailer?

I would be grateful for any advice.
Mot


The usual view is that 85% is the best working limit. Some car
manufacturers list a higher limit, which you'd be advised to ignore.
Some offer a lower limit than 85%, and if you exceded it, and there were
problems, the manufacturer could deny responsibility - eg for warranty
claims.

In this case, unladen weight = 1595. 85% of that is 1355, so the 1300
limit is pretty close to that. I wouldn't recommend going above
1300/1355 for the total weight of the caravan. The load state of the car
is irrelevant for such calculations.

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Old October 17th 03, 09:02 PM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
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"Mot" wrote in message
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if the towing vehicle is not fully loaded (i.e. up to 2395) could
I tow a heavier trailer?


No! It is an offence to exceed EITHER (or both!) the max trailer weight or
the Gross Train Weight.

[In some cases, the max vehicle weight and max trailer weight add up to more
than than the Gross Train Weight - so you can trade one against the other as
long as you don't exceed the GTW. In your case, they don't!]

Roger


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Old October 18th 03, 09:23 AM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
Mot
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Default Re- gross trailer weight

The usual view is that 85% is the best working limit. Some car
manufacturers list a higher limit, which you'd be advised to ignore.
Some offer a lower limit than 85%, and if you exceded it, and there were
problems, the manufacturer could deny responsibility - eg for warranty
claims.

In this case, unladen weight = 1595. 85% of that is 1355, so the 1300
limit is pretty close to that. I wouldn't recommend going above
1300/1355 for the total weight of the caravan. The load state of the car
is irrelevant for such calculations.


If not relevant for the calculations, is it not relevant for stability in
practice?
Mot



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Old October 18th 03, 10:03 AM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
Roger Mills
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"Mot" wrote in message
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The load state of the car
is irrelevant for such calculations.


If not relevant for the calculations, is it not relevant for stability in
practice?
Mot


I assume that this statement was made on the basis that the 85%
recommendation is based on the KERB (i.e. unloaded) weight of the car and
the ALL-UP weight of the caravan - so adding load to the car doesn't affect
this calculation.

I have always assumed that Kerb weight is used on the basis that loads which
can move about (i.e. people) don't contribute to the stability. I suspect
that, in practice, fixed loads (e.g. objects strapped down in the boot) -
which effectively become part of the car - *do* have a small beneficial
effect on stability.

At the end of the day, the 85% rule is only a RECOMMENDATION - albeit a good
one - whereas keeping within the max vehicle weight, max trailer weight and
gross train weight shown on the vehicle's VIN plate are a LEGAL requirement,
and could result in prosecution if violated.

Roger


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Old October 19th 03, 01:26 PM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
Mot
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Default Re- gross trailer weight

Roger Mills wrote:

"Mot" wrote in message
...

The load state of the car
is irrelevant for such calculations.


If not relevant for the calculations, is it not relevant for stability in
practice?
Mot


I assume that this statement was made on the basis that the 85%
recommendation is based on the KERB (i.e. unloaded) weight of the car and
the ALL-UP weight of the caravan - so adding load to the car doesn't affect
this calculation.

I have always assumed that Kerb weight is used on the basis that loads which
can move about (i.e. people) don't contribute to the stability. I suspect
that, in practice, fixed loads (e.g. objects strapped down in the boot) -
which effectively become part of the car - *do* have a small beneficial
effect on stability.

At the end of the day, the 85% rule is only a RECOMMENDATION - albeit a good
one - whereas keeping within the max vehicle weight, max trailer weight and
gross train weight shown on the vehicle's VIN plate are a LEGAL requirement,
and could result in prosecution if violated.

Roger


OK Thanks for the info, much appreciated.
Regards
Mot


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Old October 19th 03, 08:19 PM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
Tony Maris
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Default Re- gross trailer weight

Hi Mot,

It is illegal to exceed any figures shown on the vehicles VIN plate. These
would be Gross Vehicle Weight, Gross Train Weight, front axle weight, rear
axle weight.

The Road Vehicles (Construction & Use) regulations 1986 say, you 'should'
not exceed the manufacturers recommended towing limit (or words to that
effect). You read into that what you will but I don't think the Insurance
Company would be over-chuffed in the event of an incident.

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"Mot" wrote in message
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Just to clarify what it says in the handbook (Peugeot 806)
Unladen Weight-- 1595
Gross vehicle weight--2395
Gross train Weight--3695
Gross trailer weight (with brakes)--1300
Gross trailer weight (without breaks--750
Trailer nose weight--60
It appears that the 1300Kgm GTW is derived from GTrainW-GVW (3695-
2395). if the towing vehicle is not fully loaded (i.e. up to 2395) could
I tow a heavier trailer?

I would be grateful for any advice.
Mot



 



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