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Old April 23rd 04, 08:28 PM posted to uk.rec.motorcaravans
SandS
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Default Returning Gas Cylinder for deposit

When I went to buy a new Calor 7Kg Cylinder recently I was
Charged 22ukp described as a "deposit" on the bottle.
Does this mean that if I take the old British Gas (now Flowgas I
believe) cylinder to a depot about 20 miles away they will pay me
20 for it?

If not I'll take it to the dump which is only a mile away!

Regards,
Steve


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Old April 23rd 04, 09:07 PM posted to uk.rec.motorcaravans
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"SandS" wrote in message
...
When I went to buy a new Calor 7Kg Cylinder recently I was
Charged 22ukp described as a "deposit" on the bottle.
Does this mean that if I take the old British Gas (now Flowgas I
believe) cylinder to a depot about 20 miles away they will pay me
20 for it?

If not I'll take it to the dump which is only a mile away!

Regards,
Steve



I have tried to take a Calor gas bottle back to the place where I purchased
it, with a receipt, they never take them back.

Si



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Old April 23rd 04, 10:16 PM posted to uk.rec.motorcaravans
AC
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Default Returning Gas Cylinder for deposit

In article , SandS
writes
When I went to buy a new Calor 7Kg Cylinder recently I was
Charged 22ukp described as a "deposit" on the bottle.
Does this mean that if I take the old British Gas (now Flowgas I
believe) cylinder to a depot about 20 miles away they will pay me
20 for it?

If not I'll take it to the dump which is only a mile away!


exchange gas cylinders are not owned by the user(you) I believe. the
initial 'deposit' includes a start up cost of an ongoing contract.

An empty bottle has the implied value of this initial payment, and is
worth close to the contract price (in theory) second hand, although you
might not legally have the right to sell it. (in theory that is)
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Old April 23rd 04, 10:20 PM posted to uk.rec.motorcaravans
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Default Returning Gas Cylinder for deposit

"Si" wrote:

I have tried to take a Calor gas bottle back to the place where I purchased
it, with a receipt, they never take them back.


Just as well really or we'd all be getting our cylinders nicked
for the deposit. Most Calor gas dealers will at least swap sizes
without a fuss.

riccip
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Old April 24th 04, 09:17 AM posted to uk.rec.motorcaravans
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"SandS" wrote in message
...
When I went to buy a new Calor 7Kg Cylinder recently I was
Charged 22ukp described as a "deposit" on the bottle.
Does this mean that if I take the old British Gas (now Flowgas I
believe) cylinder to a depot about 20 miles away they will pay me
20 for it?

If not I'll take it to the dump which is only a mile away!

Regards,
Steve


Just to be a smartass...... ;-)

Don't know about Flogas, (some companies do not charge a 'deposit') but for
Calor the amount they pay for return of cylinder decreases fairly rapidly by
time. I also seem to remember that it is a condition of refund that you have
the receipt for the original charge when you return. The following details
the Refill Agreement Charge, and clause 7 is relevant.

Bob



In these conditions, "Company" means Calor Gas Limited, and "CALOR Outlet"
means CALOR Centres, Dealers, Retailers, Stockists or other supply points
approved by the Company. "CALOR", "Refill Agreement Charge" means the Refill
Agreement Charge specified in your order form. "User" means the customer
named on the order form who is a party to this Cylinder Refill Agreement.
"Cylinders" and "Gas" are defined in condition 1.
1. Purpose of the Refill Agreement Charge, In consideration for the Refill
Agreement Charge, the Company agrees to refill the CALOR Cylinder(s)
("Cylinders(s)") indicated with supplies of CALOR Gas ("Gas") during the
currency of this agreement. The Company will fulfil its obligation to refill
the Cylinder by providing the User with a pre-filled Cylinder in exchange
for the empty Cylinder, but reserves the right to refill the Cylinder by any
other means. A Cylinder(s) can only be exchanged for a similar replacement
refill Cylinder(s), otherwise a new agreement is required.

2. Future supplies of Gas - In entering into this agreement the User also
understands that he/she will pay additional sums at the prevailing rate for
the Gas contained in the Cylinder and for all future supplies of Gas as and
when the Cylinder is refilled in accordance with Condition 1.

3. Cylinders remain the property of the Company at all times and may only be
filled by the Company. The Company makes the Cylinder(s) available to the
User as a means of safely transporting andstoring the Gas supplied. This
agreement is not a rental agreement and it does not provide the User with
title in the Cylinder. The User will not part with possession or control of
the Cylinders (other than to a CALOR outlet) nor hold themselves out as
having any rights in breach of this agreement, nor purport to create or
attempt to create any agency or bailment in relation to the Cylinders or to
the User's obligations.

4. Use of Cylinder - Cylinders may be used only as a container for Gas and
may not be sold, exchanged (other than for the Purpose of this agreement),
hired, assigned, transferred, mortgaged, lent, abandoned, nor damaged,
defaced, decanted, filled or tampered with. The User will not part with
possession or control of the Cylinders (other than to a Calor outlet) nor
claim to have any rights in breach of this agreement, nor create any agency
or bailment in relation to the Cylinders or to the User's obligations.

5. The Company's rights over the Cylinders - The User is liable for the safe
storage and use of Cylinders and the safety of any equipment used with them
but the Company may inspect or test Cylinders and any fittings used with
them at any time and remove and replace Cylinders if defective, or for any
other reason, but without the Company being under any obligation to do so.
In any case of wil-ful damage or breach of this Agreement the Company may
repossess Cylinders immediately and the User by entering into this agreement
irrevocably authorises the Company or their agent to enter on the User's
property for these purposes and in that event this agreement is terminated.
The Company may charge the User for loss of use of a Cylinder, in the event
of loss or damage to the Cylinder but this charge shall not give the User
any rights in the Cylinder. Unless the Company, at its discretion, decides
otherwise, the User will forfeit any rights or benefits conferred upon them
by this agreement.

6. Statutory Obligations - The Company will comply with all statutory and
appropriate Code of Practice requirements in respect of Cylinders but this
shall not mean that the Company has any obli-gation to maintain in good
condition Cylinders which are in the User's possession.

7. Termination by the User - This agreement remains in force for 50 years.
The User may terminate this agreement by returning the Cylinder(s) in good
order to a CALOR outlet nominated for this purpose and shall be entitled on
presenting this agreement to a refund of a proportion of the Refill
Agreement Charge as follows:

Cylinders returned within the number of years from the date of this
agreement:
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
Over 7

Percentage of Refill Agreement Charge charged on this agreement which
will be refunded:
70%
60%
50%
45%
40%
35%
30%
25%



8. Termination by the Company - This agreement may be terminated by the
Company in the event of any act of insolvency or breach of this agreement on
the part of the User.

9. Delivery - Where a Cylinder is to be delivered to the User the Company
may use an agent for this purpose.

10. This agreement is governed by and construed in accordance with English
Law.

11. VAT and any other applicable taxes will be charged at the appropriate
rate.


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Old April 24th 04, 08:42 PM posted to uk.rec.motorcaravans
Tony Maris
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Default Returning Gas Cylinder for deposit

The Form Bob refers to is a 'Form 167' and this is the hire contract between
the supplier and the user. To obtain a refund, you MUST supply the form
167.

In the case of Flogas, my understanding is that they ( and many other of the
cheaper gas companies) issued free cylinders in order to eat into Calor's
market share. As such, a deposit would not have been paid and no refund
would be applicable. However, the cylinder would still not be the users
property and, strictly speaking, it should not be sold to a third party.

In effect, it is worthless to the user which is why so many finish up on
council dumps!

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"Bob Douglas" wrote in message
...
"SandS" wrote in message
...
When I went to buy a new Calor 7Kg Cylinder recently I was
Charged 22ukp described as a "deposit" on the bottle.
Does this mean that if I take the old British Gas (now Flowgas I
believe) cylinder to a depot about 20 miles away they will pay me
20 for it?

If not I'll take it to the dump which is only a mile away!

Regards,
Steve


Just to be a smartass...... ;-)

Don't know about Flogas, (some companies do not charge a 'deposit') but

for
Calor the amount they pay for return of cylinder decreases fairly rapidly

by
time. I also seem to remember that it is a condition of refund that you

have
the receipt for the original charge when you return. The following details
the Refill Agreement Charge, and clause 7 is relevant.

Bob



In these conditions, "Company" means Calor Gas Limited, and "CALOR Outlet"
means CALOR Centres, Dealers, Retailers, Stockists or other supply points
approved by the Company. "CALOR", "Refill Agreement Charge" means the

Refill
Agreement Charge specified in your order form. "User" means the customer
named on the order form who is a party to this Cylinder Refill Agreement.
"Cylinders" and "Gas" are defined in condition 1.
1. Purpose of the Refill Agreement Charge, In consideration for the Refill
Agreement Charge, the Company agrees to refill the CALOR Cylinder(s)
("Cylinders(s)") indicated with supplies of CALOR Gas ("Gas") during the
currency of this agreement. The Company will fulfil its obligation to

refill
the Cylinder by providing the User with a pre-filled Cylinder in exchange
for the empty Cylinder, but reserves the right to refill the Cylinder by

any
other means. A Cylinder(s) can only be exchanged for a similar replacement
refill Cylinder(s), otherwise a new agreement is required.

2. Future supplies of Gas - In entering into this agreement the User also
understands that he/she will pay additional sums at the prevailing rate

for
the Gas contained in the Cylinder and for all future supplies of Gas as

and
when the Cylinder is refilled in accordance with Condition 1.

3. Cylinders remain the property of the Company at all times and may only

be
filled by the Company. The Company makes the Cylinder(s) available to the
User as a means of safely transporting andstoring the Gas supplied. This
agreement is not a rental agreement and it does not provide the User with
title in the Cylinder. The User will not part with possession or control

of
the Cylinders (other than to a CALOR outlet) nor hold themselves out as
having any rights in breach of this agreement, nor purport to create or
attempt to create any agency or bailment in relation to the Cylinders or

to
the User's obligations.

4. Use of Cylinder - Cylinders may be used only as a container for Gas and
may not be sold, exchanged (other than for the Purpose of this agreement),
hired, assigned, transferred, mortgaged, lent, abandoned, nor damaged,
defaced, decanted, filled or tampered with. The User will not part with
possession or control of the Cylinders (other than to a Calor outlet) nor
claim to have any rights in breach of this agreement, nor create any

agency
or bailment in relation to the Cylinders or to the User's obligations.

5. The Company's rights over the Cylinders - The User is liable for the

safe
storage and use of Cylinders and the safety of any equipment used with

them
but the Company may inspect or test Cylinders and any fittings used with
them at any time and remove and replace Cylinders if defective, or for any
other reason, but without the Company being under any obligation to do so.
In any case of wil-ful damage or breach of this Agreement the Company may
repossess Cylinders immediately and the User by entering into this

agreement
irrevocably authorises the Company or their agent to enter on the User's
property for these purposes and in that event this agreement is

terminated.
The Company may charge the User for loss of use of a Cylinder, in the

event
of loss or damage to the Cylinder but this charge shall not give the User
any rights in the Cylinder. Unless the Company, at its discretion, decides
otherwise, the User will forfeit any rights or benefits conferred upon

them
by this agreement.

6. Statutory Obligations - The Company will comply with all statutory and
appropriate Code of Practice requirements in respect of Cylinders but this
shall not mean that the Company has any obli-gation to maintain in good
condition Cylinders which are in the User's possession.

7. Termination by the User - This agreement remains in force for 50 years.
The User may terminate this agreement by returning the Cylinder(s) in good
order to a CALOR outlet nominated for this purpose and shall be entitled

on
presenting this agreement to a refund of a proportion of the Refill
Agreement Charge as follows:

Cylinders returned within the number of years from the date of this
agreement:
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
Over 7

Percentage of Refill Agreement Charge charged on this agreement

which
will be refunded:
70%
60%
50%
45%
40%
35%
30%
25%



8. Termination by the Company - This agreement may be terminated by the
Company in the event of any act of insolvency or breach of this agreement

on
the part of the User.

9. Delivery - Where a Cylinder is to be delivered to the User the Company
may use an agent for this purpose.

10. This agreement is governed by and construed in accordance with English
Law.

11. VAT and any other applicable taxes will be charged at the appropriate
rate.


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Old April 25th 04, 12:16 PM posted to uk.rec.motorcaravans
QrizB[_2_]
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Default Returning Gas Cylinder for deposit

On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 21:42:16 +0100, "Tony Maris"
wrote:

In effect, it is worthless to the user which is why so many finish up on
council dumps!


My local council segregate gas bottles (and other pressure gylinders)
at the "recycling centre" (ie. dump) and AIUI arrange for their owners
to collect them.

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QrizB

"On second thought, let's not go to Z'Ha'Dum. It is a silly place."
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Old April 25th 04, 08:22 PM posted to uk.rec.motorcaravans
ROBIN DUMPLETON
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Default Returning Gas Cylinder for deposit

To add to the confusion there is an EU directive going through to say that
the cylinder deposit is illegal and that cylinders become "owned" by the
user as Camping Gaz cylinders are.

Robin

"QrizB" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 21:42:16 +0100, "Tony Maris"
wrote:

In effect, it is worthless to the user which is why so many finish up on
council dumps!


My local council segregate gas bottles (and other pressure gylinders)
at the "recycling centre" (ie. dump) and AIUI arrange for their owners
to collect them.

--
QrizB

"On second thought, let's not go to Z'Ha'Dum. It is a silly place."



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Old April 26th 04, 06:45 AM posted to uk.rec.motorcaravans
AC
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Default Returning Gas Cylinder for deposit

In article , ROBIN DUMPLETON
writes
To add to the confusion there is an EU directive going through to say that
the cylinder deposit is illegal and that cylinders become "owned" by the
user as Camping Gaz cylinders are


Sounds sensible
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AC
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Old April 26th 04, 05:48 PM posted to uk.rec.motorcaravans
ROBIN DUMPLETON
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Problem is Who is responsible for ensuring certification of the cylinder,
owner or filler. By swapping cylinders you may end up with a short
certificate (presently 15 years) and next filler won't fill if it's out of
test. Do you ever check to ensure that your cylinder is certified? Recently
we audited some cylinders and found that 20% were out of test. The date is
on the cylinder if it is more than 15 years old refuse it.

Robin

"AC" wrote in message
...
In article , ROBIN DUMPLETON
writes
To add to the confusion there is an EU directive going through to say

that
the cylinder deposit is illegal and that cylinders become "owned" by the
user as Camping Gaz cylinders are


Sounds sensible
--
AC



 



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