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Old June 14th 04, 06:59 PM posted to uk.rec.motorcaravans
Hilary[_3_]
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Has anyone had experience of adding power steering to a diesel
motorhome/van??

Also changing from manual gear box to auto?

We have what I expect is a usual problem. We like the one weve got in most
respects, cant find another one that comes near the layout that suits us and
dont want to take out a loan for a new one. But both of us with bad backs
etc and me being only able to drive auto the additions if possible would
make a big difference to how often we can use it.

We went round Brownhills on the way back from the last break. Even allowing
for endless cashflow it was a relief to get back to our 10yr old "heap".


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Old June 14th 04, 07:24 PM posted to uk.rec.motorcaravans
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"Hilary" wrote:

Has anyone had experience of adding power steering to a diesel
motorhome/van??

Also changing from manual gear box to auto?


What make and model is the base vehicle?

riccip
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Old June 14th 04, 08:02 PM posted to uk.rec.motorcaravans
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"riccip" wrote in message
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What make and model is the base vehicle?



Talbot express.

Looking at the van manual there was a power steering model available.



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Old June 14th 04, 08:52 PM posted to uk.rec.motorcaravans
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Hilary"
Subject: auto and power steering??


Has anyone had experience of adding power steering to a diesel
motorhome/van??


I have an auto-clutch fitted to my Ducato, it is supposed to help people
with a bad back or with leg problems as you can operate the clutch with a
button on the gear lever and thus change gear with no foot action involved.

It seems to work OK though i don't often use it - it was already fitted to a
2nd hand MH I bought, but I did not need it.

Jim


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Old June 14th 04, 09:03 PM posted to uk.rec.motorcaravans
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"Hilary" wrote in message
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"riccip" wrote in message
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What make and model is the base vehicle?

Talbot express.

Looking at the van manual there was a power steering model

available.

Its a very popular thing to do (power steering on Talbot Express)
as there are so many MHs based on them, but the parts are VERY
rare second hand.


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Old June 14th 04, 10:21 PM posted to uk.rec.motorcaravans
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"Hilary" wrote:

Talbot express.

Looking at the van manual there was a power steering model available.


Right. Afraid I don't know much about Talbots but I have
converted a mid-90's Ford Transit to power steering without any
probs. You will need the PS rack, pump (with mounting brackets),
fluid reservoir and hoses from a breaker's. Ask them nicely and
they'll remove it all as one lot (without cutting the hoses)
which makes fitting much easier and excludes the possibility of
muck getting into the system. The steering column should be the
same but check anyway.

I paid 150 for that lot off eBay. New track rod ends are a
tenner each and should be changed as a matter of course. That
just left the drive belt at around a fiver (I think). There was
already a PS pulley on the Transit engine's crank, otherwise
you'll need one. My friendly local garage fitted the whole deal
for just 110. So total expenditure was 285, cheap as chicken
dippers.

The difference was amazing. I'm a big, strong bloke but found
maneuvering the van awkward and frustrating, especially when
parking. Corners and roundabouts weren't much fun either, and
U-turns were out of the question. After the conversion all of the
"feel" was still there in the steering but parking was a breeze.
The real advantage was that the power steering rack had fewer
turns lock-to-lock so corners/roundabouts were no longer feverish
hard work. And it pulled U-turns like a dune buggy.

As for the auto-gearbox swap, yes it should be possible. My only
experience here was watching a mate shoe-horning a Rover V8
engine and autobox into his Bedford CF van 20 years ago, and I
was ****ed at the time. However I'm pretty sure you'll find it's
an uncomplicated swap provided you have all the right bits. Be
sure to get the gearbox mountings and brackets, lever (obviously)
and any associated solenoids, relays, indicators and electrics.
You will also need the flywheel and torque converter from the
donor vehicle's engine.

Check that the propshaft and rear diff are the same, although
they should be. I would also imagine the pedal assemblies are
basically the same so you should just be able to remove the
clutch pedal, and maybe replace the brake pedal with the larger
one if you prefer (although I don't think that's essential).

Should you decide to go ahead with both modifications, auto and
power steering, you would probably be better buying a complete
donor van rather than relying on the breakers. You would be
certain of getting all the right parts removed carefully as you
would want them to be. I saw a breaker on the 'Net who asks 400
to supply the power steering parts alone for a Talbot Express so
it should work out cheaper. 200 - 600 will buy you a decent
Talbot Express donor van on eBay, possibly an MOT failure. You
may have to wait a while for an automatic but one will come along
eventually. Minibuses often have auto boxes, and it's likely to
have the PS along with it.

riccip
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Old June 15th 04, 01:48 AM posted to uk.rec.motorcaravans
Hilary[_3_]
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"riccip" wrote in message
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"Hilary" wrote:

Talbot express.

Looking at the van manual there was a power steering model available.


Right. Afraid I don't know much about Talbots but I have
converted a mid-90's Ford Transit to power steering without any
probs. You will need the PS rack, pump (with mounting brackets),
fluid reservoir and hoses from a breaker's. Ask them nicely and
they'll remove it all as one lot (without cutting the hoses)
which makes fitting much easier and excludes the possibility of
muck getting into the system. The steering column should be the
same but check anyway.

I paid 150 for that lot off eBay. New track rod ends are a
tenner each and should be changed as a matter of course. That
just left the drive belt at around a fiver (I think). There was
already a PS pulley on the Transit engine's crank, otherwise
you'll need one. My friendly local garage fitted the whole deal
for just 110. So total expenditure was 285, cheap as chicken
dippers.

The difference was amazing. I'm a big, strong bloke but found
maneuvering the van awkward and frustrating, especially when
parking. Corners and roundabouts weren't much fun either, and
U-turns were out of the question. After the conversion all of the
"feel" was still there in the steering but parking was a breeze.
The real advantage was that the power steering rack had fewer
turns lock-to-lock so corners/roundabouts were no longer feverish
hard work. And it pulled U-turns like a dune buggy.


Thanks for the description and the costing. It does sound as though its
going to be well worth especially when he starts getting tired. Hes used to
doing his own restore and repair work but hes never done the power steering
or change to auto before.


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Old June 15th 04, 05:58 AM posted to uk.rec.motorcaravans
Jock[_2_]
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Delfin Designs in Wimborne specialise in Talbot Expresses - particularly
power steering & gearboxes. Their number is 01202 840 749

Jock
"Hilary" wrote in message
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"riccip" wrote in message
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"Hilary" wrote:

Talbot express.

Looking at the van manual there was a power steering model available.


Right. Afraid I don't know much about Talbots but I have
converted a mid-90's Ford Transit to power steering without any
probs. You will need the PS rack, pump (with mounting brackets),
fluid reservoir and hoses from a breaker's. Ask them nicely and
they'll remove it all as one lot (without cutting the hoses)
which makes fitting much easier and excludes the possibility of
muck getting into the system. The steering column should be the
same but check anyway.

I paid 150 for that lot off eBay. New track rod ends are a
tenner each and should be changed as a matter of course. That
just left the drive belt at around a fiver (I think). There was
already a PS pulley on the Transit engine's crank, otherwise
you'll need one. My friendly local garage fitted the whole deal
for just 110. So total expenditure was 285, cheap as chicken
dippers.

The difference was amazing. I'm a big, strong bloke but found
maneuvering the van awkward and frustrating, especially when
parking. Corners and roundabouts weren't much fun either, and
U-turns were out of the question. After the conversion all of the
"feel" was still there in the steering but parking was a breeze.
The real advantage was that the power steering rack had fewer
turns lock-to-lock so corners/roundabouts were no longer feverish
hard work. And it pulled U-turns like a dune buggy.


Thanks for the description and the costing. It does sound as though its
going to be well worth especially when he starts getting tired. Hes used

to
doing his own restore and repair work but hes never done the power

steering
or change to auto before.




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Old June 15th 04, 09:22 AM posted to uk.rec.motorcaravans
riccip
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Default auto and power steering??

"Hilary" wrote:

Thanks for the description and the costing. It does sound as though its
going to be well worth especially when he starts getting tired. Hes used to
doing his own restore and repair work but hes never done the power steering
or change to auto before.


Well it would take a brave man to go D.I.Y. with this but if he
has the skills and can enlist some help then you'll save enough
for a fortnight in the Algarve. There's only the cost of the
donor van to consider and you can recoup some of that by flogging
the unwanted bits at the end. As you're planning to keep your
motorcaravan it's also an opportunity to stock up on useful
spares (alternator, etc) for the future.

riccip
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Old June 15th 04, 10:31 AM posted to uk.rec.motorcaravans
HH
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Default auto and power steering??


But both of us with bad backs
etc and me being only able to drive auto the additions if possible would
make a big difference to how often we can use it.

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"James Cheney" wrote in message
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snip . . .

I have an auto-clutch fitted to my Ducato, it is supposed to help people
with a bad back or with leg problems as you can operate the clutch with a
button on the gear lever and thus change gear with no foot action

involved.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I doubt very much, Hilary, that your auto-only licence would cover an
auto-clutch gearchange which has to preserve the "manual" mechanism.

It would be advisable to check with DVLC,Swansea to discover the status of
yr licence with regard to such an installation.

I do know that the fully automated box which Mercedes uses on the Sprinter,
called Sprintshift, is usable on an auto-only licence.

Malcolm


 



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