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uk.rec.caravanning.moderated anyone?



 
 
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Old December 30th 03, 01:29 AM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
Oliver Bain
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Default uk.rec.caravanning.moderated anyone?

We could have uk.rec.caravanning.moderated up and running in a matter
of weeks if there's support.

Richard Ashton already, (and very successfully), runs the modbot for
the uk.net.beginners & uk.local.yorkshire.moderated newsgroups, (and
will be running the uk.legal.moderated modbot when the group is
created), and I'm sure that he'd be more than happy to operate the
modbot for uk.rec.caravanning.moderated when it's created.

What say you?

Should I submit a RFD for uk.rec.caravanning.moderated?

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Old December 30th 03, 07:52 AM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
David
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Default uk.rec.caravanning.moderated anyone?

I'm ok with this NG going moderated.
Having said that I'm not for moderated groups normally, but I can see no
future for this group as it is now. It will slowly die unless some great
change takes place.

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"Oliver Bain" wrote in message
...
We could have uk.rec.caravanning.moderated up and running in a matter
of weeks if there's support.

Richard Ashton already, (and very successfully), runs the modbot for
the uk.net.beginners & uk.local.yorkshire.moderated newsgroups, (and
will be running the uk.legal.moderated modbot when the group is
created), and I'm sure that he'd be more than happy to operate the
modbot for uk.rec.caravanning.moderated when it's created.

What say you?

Should I submit a RFD for uk.rec.caravanning.moderated?

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Old December 30th 03, 09:06 AM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
John
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Default uk.rec.caravanning.moderated anyone?

It would depend on what type of moderation. If as done with Practical
Caravan then no! That news group is so slow due to how its moderated I
hardly bother reading it now as there is such delays between posts and they'
re being displayed. All to often there duplicate replies when contributors
could be developing a discussion based on just one of them. It can take
what seems forever for development, as contributors requesting further
information have to wait for the process to slowly grind on.



If it's the type of moderation used on news groups like Practical Boat Owner
(or the others related to it) then yes. On these posts that fall out side
the guidelines are removed by the moderator so there may well be a short
time they are there but the upside is the long delays of Practical Caravan
are avoided. Problems and advice can be dealt with much faster as
information/clarification sought from some one posting can be seen quickly.
Others can see what's been posted and either do nothing or can add something
new not just end up repeating the same.




"David" wrote in message
...
I'm ok with this NG going moderated.
Having said that I'm not for moderated groups normally, but I can see no
future for this group as it is now. It will slowly die unless some great
change takes place.

--
Regards,
David

Please reply to News Group.

"Oliver Bain" wrote in message
...
We could have uk.rec.caravanning.moderated up and running in a matter
of weeks if there's support.

Richard Ashton already, (and very successfully), runs the modbot for
the uk.net.beginners & uk.local.yorkshire.moderated newsgroups, (and
will be running the uk.legal.moderated modbot when the group is
created), and I'm sure that he'd be more than happy to operate the
modbot for uk.rec.caravanning.moderated when it's created.

What say you?

Should I submit a RFD for uk.rec.caravanning.moderated?

--
O Bain.





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Old December 30th 03, 09:06 AM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
Ian D
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Default uk.rec.caravanning.moderated anyone?

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 08:52:59 -0000, "David"
wrote:

I'm ok with this NG going moderated.


There'd be a better chance of success, I'd say, if a new moderated
group was proposed to run alonside this one.
I don't think changing a group from unmoderated to moderated has been
attempted yet, although there's an RFD in the pipeline to do this for
another group.

Having said that it might be better to wait and see how
uk.local.yorkshire.moderated gets along first (assuming it's created,
the result of the vote hasn't been posted yet), and then draft the RFD
in the light of what happens there.
Even more interesting will be what happens if the RFD for
uk.legal.moderated goes ahead, as the moderation policy proposed at
the moment is radically different to that for
uk.local.yorkshire.moderated.

Having said that I'm not for moderated groups normally,


Can't see any great objection to them myself, as long as it's not made
compulsory for all uk.* groups. There's room for everyone on usenet -
although not everyone in the same place at the same time.

Another idea that's being tried, although without much publicity, and
I don't know with what success, is Usenet II.
see http://www.usenet2.org/
Something like that could well be the way things go in the future.

Cheers
Ian D









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Old December 30th 03, 09:48 AM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
David
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Default uk.rec.caravanning.moderated anyone?


"Ian D" wrote in message

Having said that I'm not for moderated groups normally,


Can't see any great objection to them myself, ....


Well I was in a moderated one for a while, the moderatoer makes or breaks
it. This one had a female who was ultra PC and feministic, and one got
disiplined for extremely small reasons. EG. I and others would have been in
deep trouble with what we think of Dave F. posts.
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Regards,
David

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Old December 30th 03, 10:02 AM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
George Hendry
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Default uk.rec.caravanning.moderated anyone?

In a word NO.

This newsgroup has been unmoderated since its inception many years ago.
It has functioned quite happily all this time.

Occasionally new contributors like yourself come along and want to
moderate it.

As responsible computer users we have the tools necessary to prevent the
destruction of the group by the few trolls that sometimes cross post
here.

Why should we change our long standing situation to allow for them? If
we do then they have done what they set out to do - disrupt us sane and
sensible people going about our legal business.

The tools are available. Use them and the newsgroup appears as it has
always done with mostly sensible, friendly and useful postings with only
a very small proportion of people wanting to change something which is
working very well.

If it aint broke...................




Should I submit a RFD for uk.rec.caravanning.moderated?


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Old December 30th 03, 10:09 AM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
James W. West
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Default uk.rec.caravanning.moderated anyone?


"Ian D" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 08:52:59 -0000, "David"
wrote:

I'm ok with this NG going moderated.


There'd be a better chance of success, I'd say, if a new moderated
group was proposed to run alonside this one.
I don't think changing a group from unmoderated to moderated has been
attempted yet, although there's an RFD in the pipeline to do this for
another group.


I would be against this one going moderated, but quite happy with the
creation of a new one. I would probably subscribe to both.

A long time ago there was a proposal for sci.psychology.psychotherapy to
become moderated due to a persistent troll. It failed- mainly because one of
the proposed moderators started spouting about what he would and wouldn't
allow before the voting had stopped. They then proposed a new group which
passed. I don't read either now, but have looked in occasionally and they
are both dire.

Moderation needs to allow as short a time as possible between articles being
submitted and being posted. A light touch, with a green list of approved
posters and some means of approving the first 3-5 posts of a new person
would be the option I would prefer.

James


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Old December 30th 03, 10:55 AM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
Tony Maris
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Default uk.rec.caravanning.moderated anyone?


I have been around this NG for about 7 years and it has never been in a
worse state. Whilst previously against moderation, I have also been around
moderated forum's and, on the whole, they work very well without the grief
we are currently suffering.

As suggested by most other's, I would support moderation if it can be done
correctly.

Whilst I sympathise with George's view, I think it is very much broken now
and does need fixing. I have many filters in place but still find it a pain
to lurk, let alone post. If the current situation continues, I will not be
staying around.

Regards
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Towbars & Trailers
Chesterfield
Specialists in Towing Equipment
NTTA Council Member
http://www.towitall.co.uk
QSA accredited for Towbars and Trailers



"Oliver Bain" wrote in message
...
We could have uk.rec.caravanning.moderated up and running in a matter
of weeks if there's support.

Richard Ashton already, (and very successfully), runs the modbot for
the uk.net.beginners & uk.local.yorkshire.moderated newsgroups, (and
will be running the uk.legal.moderated modbot when the group is
created), and I'm sure that he'd be more than happy to operate the
modbot for uk.rec.caravanning.moderated when it's created.

What say you?

Should I submit a RFD for uk.rec.caravanning.moderated?

--
O Bain.



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Old December 30th 03, 11:16 AM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
mhlife
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Default uk.rec.caravanning.moderated anyone?


"Tony Maris" wrote in message
...

If the current situation continues, I will not be
staying around.

Regards
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Towbars & Trailers
Chesterfield
Specialists in Towing Equipment
NTTA Council Member
http://www.towitall.co.uk
QSA accredited for Towbars and Trailers


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Old December 30th 03, 11:20 AM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
bill lord
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Default uk.rec.caravanning.moderated anyone?

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 08:52:59 -0000, "David"
wrote:

I'm ok with this NG going moderated.


It would not be a case of this NG being moderated but another parallel
NG being created. Personally I would subscribe to both

Having said that I'm not for moderated groups normally,


I would agree here. The problem with moderated newsgroups is that they
basically solve nothing, Either someone has to approve all postings
before they appear on the group or the members joining have to be
approved to post messages. If the former then this is an enormous job
and leads to considerable delay in replies to messages being posted.
If the latter then the trolls still have access and when unapproved
simply take on a different identity and rejoin which is in effect wht
they do now to avoid peoples killfiles. The only beneficial efect is
that a newcomer to the group sees the sanitised version not the
infested one.

but I can see no
future for this group as it is now. It will slowly die unless some great
change takes place.


I would not agree with this, it is up to us to make sure that it does
not. Keep filtering, and keep posting relevant topics.



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