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butane cylinder for new van



 
 
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Old July 15th 03, 02:06 PM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
Harry Bloomfield
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Default butane cylinder for new van

In article ,
says...
| Just bought a new van, and i need to purchase a new butane bottle. I am i
| better with 15kg bottle and a 7 kg bottle (back up) and what kind of prices
| im expecting to pay for these in first instance.
| regards steve
|
|
|

Nearly forgot....

I have been known to carry one 15kg in place of two 7kg, then take
along a very small gas bottle as a standby supply, just to keep the
fridge etc. working if the 15kg runs out. My standby is a Camping Gas
of about 2kg, which I have had for perhaps twenty years without needing
to replace it, but there might be other solutions. The CG bottle uses a
different (screw in) regulator to the snap on Calor one.

Do Calor offer smaller bottle sizes, to fit the snap on regulator?

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Old July 15th 03, 06:40 PM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
Sentley Wilson
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"Dave Fawthrop" wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 16:31:53 +0100, "Bailey"

wrote:


|
| I have never seen a Butane Screw in Cap...not to say it does`nt exist
| tho.... I do have Two different push on caps, one is for Calor Gas, the
| other for Macgas, both are blue, and both are butane....i have a screw

in
| adjustable pressure for my propane bottle (Red)
| The blue regulators are only very slightly different, but they cannot
| interchange........just different companies who want you to buy their

gas
| with their regulators...

All British propane bottles have the same fitting.
As Bailey says, Butane suppliers all have different bottle top fittings,

to
deter you from using competitors gas. Pressure regulators are not
expensive. We use Propane but carry a camping gas regulator just in case.

Dave Fawthrop


4.5kg Calor Butane Bottles have a screw on top. You generally find that
propane burns with a slightly hotter flame (although not really noticeable)
but techincally butane has a cleaner flame.

Sentley


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Old July 15th 03, 07:59 PM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
Tony Maris
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Default butane cylinder for new van

Hi Harry,

Calor Gas do two cylinder sizes for butane with snap on regulators. One is
7.5 KGs, the other was 15 KGs but is now only 12 KGs. (same cylinder, less
gas, cheaper price). The smaller 4.5 KG cylinder is a screw fit and needs a
totally different regulator. The Calor Gas snap on regulator is 21 mm
diameter, many others are only 20 mm so not interchangeable.

Propane cylinders use a common regulator across all brands (unless powering
a fork lift truck........)

There used to be adapters available to convert Camping Gaz fitting to Calor
Gas fitting and vice versa, but I believe it is now illegal to supply these
in the UK. Pity, I thought they were very useful.

Regards

--
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Chesterfield
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"Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message
...
Nearly forgot....

I have been known to carry one 15kg in place of two 7kg, then take
along a very small gas bottle as a standby supply, just to keep the
fridge etc. working if the 15kg runs out. My standby is a Camping Gas
of about 2kg, which I have had for perhaps twenty years without needing
to replace it, but there might be other solutions. The CG bottle uses a
different (screw in) regulator to the snap on Calor one.

Do Calor offer smaller bottle sizes, to fit the snap on regulator?

--
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Harry (M1BYT)...

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Old July 15th 03, 08:47 PM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
Dave Fawthrop
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Default butane cylinder for new van

On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 19:40:14 +0100, "Sentley Wilson"
wrote:

|
| "Dave Fawthrop" wrote in message
| ...
| On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 16:31:53 +0100, "Bailey"
| wrote:
|
|
| |
| | I have never seen a Butane Screw in Cap...not to say it does`nt exist
| | tho.... I do have Two different push on caps, one is for Calor Gas, the
| | other for Macgas, both are blue, and both are butane....i have a screw
| in
| | adjustable pressure for my propane bottle (Red)
| | The blue regulators are only very slightly different, but they cannot
| | interchange........just different companies who want you to buy their
| gas
| | with their regulators...
|
| All British propane bottles have the same fitting.
| As Bailey says, Butane suppliers all have different bottle top fittings,
| to
| deter you from using competitors gas. Pressure regulators are not
| expensive. We use Propane but carry a camping gas regulator just in case.
|
| Dave Fawthrop
|
| 4.5kg Calor Butane Bottles have a screw on top. You generally find that
| propane burns with a slightly hotter flame (although not really noticeable)
| but techincally butane has a cleaner flame.

Having used both I have not noticed any difference.
IMO Propane wins because of its low temperature performance.

Dave Fawthrop Butane v Propane.
Butane gives about 15% more cups of tea per bottle. Butane gives
about 5% more cups of tea per GBP. Propane works in winter near
freezing point. All UK Propane bottles have the same fitting.
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Old July 15th 03, 08:50 PM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
Dave Fawthrop
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Default butane cylinder for new van

On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 20:59:59 +0100, "Tony Maris"
wrote:

| Hi Harry,
|
| Calor Gas do two cylinder sizes for butane with snap on regulators. One is
| 7.5 KGs, the other was 15 KGs but is now only 12 KGs. (same cylinder, less
| gas, cheaper price). The smaller 4.5 KG cylinder is a screw fit and needs a
| totally different regulator. The Calor Gas snap on regulator is 21 mm
| diameter, many others are only 20 mm so not interchangeable.
|
| Propane cylinders use a common regulator across all brands (unless powering
| a fork lift truck........)
|
| There used to be adapters available to convert Camping Gaz fitting to Calor
| Gas fitting and vice versa, but I believe it is now illegal to supply these
| in the UK. Pity, I thought they were very useful.

We just take the Propane regulator off the pipe and replace it with a
Camping Gas Regulator. Ain't Jubilee clips wonderful.

Dave F

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Old July 15th 03, 10:24 PM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
Dave Smith
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Default butane cylinder for new van

It may be worth trying a local gas supply co as mine supplies gas cheaper
than Calor (but who doesn't!), give a free butane regulator and don't charge
any rental on their cylinders (either propane or butane). As it is not
possible to get recharged cylinders out of the area I take 2 full 7kg
cylinders with us when we go abroad for 18 days.

By the way, according to my supplier, Jubilee clips are now illegal for gas
hoses and they state that the crimp clips (as used on welding hoses) are the
correct type. Only snag is the regulator cannot be exchanged between
propane and butane :(
Dave
"Tony Maris" wrote in message
...
| Hi Dave,
|
| Agreed! Along with cable ties and Scotchlocks, they should be in any
| DIY'ers toolkit.
|
| Regards
|
| --
| Tony M
| Towbars & Trailers
| Chesterfield
| Specialists in Towing Equipment
| NTTA Council Member
| http://www.towitall.co.uk
| QSA accredited for Towbars and Trailers
|
|
|
| "Dave Fawthrop" wrote in message
| ...
| We just take the Propane regulator off the pipe and replace it with a
| Camping Gas Regulator. Ain't Jubilee clips wonderful.
|
| Dave F
|
|
|


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Old July 16th 03, 05:28 AM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
Dave Fawthrop
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Default butane cylinder for new van

On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:05:48 +0100, "Tony Maris"
wrote:

| Hi Dave,
|
| Agreed! Along with cable ties and Scotchlocks, they should be in any
| DIY'ers toolkit.

| "Dave Fawthrop" wrote in message
| ...
| We just take the Propane regulator off the pipe and replace it with a
| Camping Gas Regulator. Ain't Jubilee clips wonderful.

Ah Cable Ties! I have small stocks them in the van, car, house, everywhere.
Use them everywhere. Without then the van would fall to bits.

What are Scotchlocks?

Dave Fawthrop Reading threads which are both
bottom and top posted is a pain in the *rs*. Posts should be trimmed
and bottom posted. http://www.usenet.org.uk/usenet-information.html
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Old July 16th 03, 05:31 AM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
Dave Fawthrop
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Default butane cylinder for new van

On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 23:24:36 +0100, "Dave Smith"
wrote:


| By the way, according to my supplier, Jubilee clips are now illegal for gas
| hoses and they state that the crimp clips (as used on welding hoses) are the
| correct type. Only snag is the regulator cannot be exchanged between
| propane and butane :(

They would say that, wouldn't they!
Please state which law is involved.

Dave F
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