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Design Faults



 
 
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Old July 13th 04, 01:43 PM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
Richard Pattle
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I've just got back from my first ever full week (plenty of short breaks
under the belt) and I'd like to invite comments on a couple of faults which
appear to be designed into (certainly not designed out of!) new 'vans.

1. The Domestic Shower Tray.

I realise that caravan makers are working to a budget, so I presume the
shower trays they use are intended primarily for houses, which are built
perfectly level. A shower tray _intended_ for use in a caravan would
naturally be designed with a slight dish in the floor with the waste outlet
at the lowest point. Then if the van wasn't _exactly_ level (and whose is?)
the water would still drain out without the one footed sideways shove
routine....

2. The Indoor Barbecue Point.
The guy next to me had a new 'van with one of those gas taps in the body
into which you can plug a barbecue. In common with all the others I've seen
it's _inside_ the awning channel. Could get a bit smokey in there! ;-)

Do caravan makers consider to what use their products are put before they
bolt on ever more 'features'?


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Old July 13th 04, 02:25 PM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
John Manders
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"Richard Pattle" wrote in message
...
I've just got back from my first ever full week (plenty of short breaks
under the belt) and I'd like to invite comments on a couple of faults

which
appear to be designed into (certainly not designed out of!) new 'vans.

1. The Domestic Shower Tray.

I realise that caravan makers are working to a budget, so I presume the
shower trays they use are intended primarily for houses, which are built
perfectly level. A shower tray _intended_ for use in a caravan would
naturally be designed with a slight dish in the floor with the waste

outlet
at the lowest point. Then if the van wasn't _exactly_ level (and whose

is?)
the water would still drain out without the one footed sideways shove
routine....

2. The Indoor Barbecue Point.
The guy next to me had a new 'van with one of those gas taps in the body
into which you can plug a barbecue. In common with all the others I've

seen
it's _inside_ the awning channel. Could get a bit smokey in there! ;-)

Do caravan makers consider to what use their products are put before they
bolt on ever more 'features'?


You are right that caravans are built to a budget. That means that the floor
is flat. Therefore, the bottom of the shower tray is flat. The tray could be
made to slope but that would mean making it with a tapered bottom. That is
expensive and quite heavy. The easiest way is to pitch the van with a very
slight slope to allow the shower to drain. Unfortunately, in some vans, that
means that the sink doesn't drain so well. There's no winning some times.

Murphy's Law says that BBQ points are never where you want them.

John


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Old July 13th 04, 02:31 PM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
sPoNiX
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On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:25:03 +0100, "John Manders"
wrote:

You are right that caravans are built to a budget. That means that the floor
is flat. Therefore, the bottom of the shower tray is flat.


Why not replace the shower tray with a grille in the floor..?



sPoNiX
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Old July 13th 04, 02:42 PM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
Mary Fisher
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"Richard Pattle" wrote in message
...
I've just got back from my first ever full week (plenty of short breaks
under the belt) and I'd like to invite comments on a couple of faults

which
appear to be designed into (certainly not designed out of!) new 'vans.


2. The Indoor Barbecue Point.
The guy next to me had a new 'van with one of those gas taps in the body
into which you can plug a barbecue. In common with all the others I've

seen
it's _inside_ the awning channel. Could get a bit smokey in there! ;-)


I can't see why cooking on a gas barbecue should be smoky - unless you want
it to be. Ours is almost always used inside the fully closed awning, we've
not had any smoke.

In any case, the awning channel goes to the edge of the caravan's body on
all the ones I've noticed, where would you suggest the barbecue point should
be?

There wasn't one on ours, gas barbecues hadn't been invented when our 'vans
were built! Spouse installed on. Inside the awning channel.

Do caravan makers consider to what use their products are put before they
bolt on ever more 'features'?


Of course they do. I suspect that they put more consideration into them than
do the prospective buyers. If you don't like a feature you don't buy the
caravan, s'easy. But how many people think about these things before they're
on site?

Mary




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Old July 13th 04, 02:46 PM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
bill lord
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On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 13:43:54 +0000 (UTC), "Richard Pattle"
wrote:

I realise that caravan makers are working to a budget, so I presume the
shower trays they use are intended primarily for houses, which are built
perfectly level. A shower tray _intended_ for use in a caravan would
naturally be designed with a slight dish in the floor with the waste outlet
at the lowest point. Then if the van wasn't _exactly_ level (and whose is?)
the water would still drain out without the one footed sideways shove
routine....


I doubt that many caravan shower trays are used in domestic situation,
and yes what you say would be a good idea, but sadly caravan designers
don't think like that.

2. The Indoor Barbecue Point.
The guy next to me had a new 'van with one of those gas taps in the body
into which you can plug a barbecue. In common with all the others I've seen
it's _inside_ the awning channel. Could get a bit smokey in there! ;-)


Which is better than the user standing downwind and pouring vast
amounts of smoke into other peoples caravans.


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Old July 13th 04, 04:36 PM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
Nigel Crompton
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On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:42:46 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


all the ones I've noticed, where would you suggest the barbecue point should


Well I fitted mine inside the drawbar locker. I've had two vans with
factory fitted outlets. I consider mine to be much more sensible.

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Old July 13th 04, 05:02 PM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
David klyne
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"Richard Pattle" wrote in message
...
I've just got back from my first ever full week (plenty of short breaks
under the belt) and I'd like to invite comments on a couple of faults

which
appear to be designed into (certainly not designed out of!) new 'vans.

1. The Domestic Shower Tray.

I realise that caravan makers are working to a budget, so I presume the
shower trays they use are intended primarily for houses, which are built
perfectly level. A shower tray _intended_ for use in a caravan would
naturally be designed with a slight dish in the floor with the waste

outlet
at the lowest point. Then if the van wasn't _exactly_ level (and whose

is?)
the water would still drain out without the one footed sideways shove
routine....

2. The Indoor Barbecue Point.
The guy next to me had a new 'van with one of those gas taps in the body
into which you can plug a barbecue. In common with all the others I've

seen
it's _inside_ the awning channel. Could get a bit smokey in there! ;-)

Do caravan makers consider to what use their products are put before they
bolt on ever more 'features'?

Richard

Having worked in retailing for over 40 years I would like a pound for
everything someone told me a product had a design fault!!! I have a new
Sterling Eccles and the shower is fine and it is used every day we are away
in the van, mind you I do my best to make sure the caravan is level. On your
point about the external gas point. We have not used ours yet ( we don't
barbeque but we do cook outside when we can) but I don't really see a
problem. I have purchased a 2 metre length of gas hose that should allow me
to get far enough away from the caravan and awning.

David - Milton Keynes
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Old July 13th 04, 06:19 PM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
Richard Murphy
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In fact the biggest design fault, shared by almost all caravans, is the one
where reliance is placed on sealant to keep water out instead of basic
design.

The next design fault is the one that has the water going into the centre of
the sandwich walls/floor and which turns the internal material to mush

The third one is the one where the coatings on both sides of the walls are
non-water permeable, so that once in,
a) water can't get out, and
b) you cant see it without regular checks using specialist equipment, or
until it is too late!

everything else is mere annoyance!

"Richard Pattle" wrote in message
...
I've just got back from my first ever full week (plenty of short breaks
under the belt) and I'd like to invite comments on a couple of faults

which
appear to be designed into (certainly not designed out of!) new 'vans.

1. The Domestic Shower Tray.

I realise that caravan makers are working to a budget, so I presume the
shower trays they use are intended primarily for houses, which are built
perfectly level. A shower tray _intended_ for use in a caravan would
naturally be designed with a slight dish in the floor with the waste

outlet
at the lowest point. Then if the van wasn't _exactly_ level (and whose

is?)
the water would still drain out without the one footed sideways shove
routine....

2. The Indoor Barbecue Point.
The guy next to me had a new 'van with one of those gas taps in the body
into which you can plug a barbecue. In common with all the others I've

seen
it's _inside_ the awning channel. Could get a bit smokey in there! ;-)

Do caravan makers consider to what use their products are put before they
bolt on ever more 'features'?




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Old July 14th 04, 04:31 AM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
Yuggif
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Default Design Faults


"Richard Murphy" wrote in message
...
In fact the biggest design fault, shared by almost all caravans, is the

one
where reliance is placed on sealant to keep water out instead of basic
design.

The next design fault is the one that has the water going into the centre

of
the sandwich walls/floor and which turns the internal material to mush

The third one is the one where the coatings on both sides of the walls are
non-water permeable, so that once in,
a) water can't get out, and
b) you cant see it without regular checks using specialist equipment,

or
until it is too late!




Point #1 - applicable to British caravans, not German models

Point #2 - applicable to British caravans, not German models

Point #3 - applicable to.....why, yet again!, British caravans, not German
models...




 



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