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UK Caravanning (uk.rec.caravanning) A forum for the discussion of caravanning undertaken by residents of the United Kingdom, whether in the UK or abroad. It encourages the interchange of views on the merits of models of caravan, makes of tow car, accessories, caravan sites, caravan clubs, and other related topics. The term caravan is to include trailer vans, motor caravans and trailer tents.

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Old August 14th 05, 08:00 PM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
kram
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My brother is thinking about buying a Focus 1.8TDCI Saloon and wants to tow
a caravan, preferably a 5 berth. Being new to caravanning myself and not
knowing too much about weights of cars and caravans, can anybody shed any
light on whether this car would be suitable or should he be looking for at
least a 2.0 litre.

Thanks in advance


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Old August 14th 05, 10:00 PM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
Hitch Lock
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In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
kram wrote:

My brother is thinking about buying a Focus 1.8TDCI Saloon and wants
to tow a caravan, preferably a 5 berth. Being new to caravanning
myself and not knowing too much about weights of cars and caravans,
can anybody shed any light on whether this car would be suitable or
should he be looking for at least a 2.0 litre.

Thanks in advance


Does he have a particular caravan in mind, and what's it's all-up weight?

Guessing that it's at least 1100Kg, in order to meet the 85% recommendation
[i.e. the all-up weight of the van shouldn't exceed 85% of the kerb
(unladen) weight of the car (for good towing stability)] he'd need a car
whose kerb weight was around 1300 Kg - which the Focus almost certainly
isn't.

Put that lot together with some people and luggage in the car - and you've
got a total train weight in the region 2700 Kg. I would have thought that
even a 2 litre engine might be a bit marginal to pull that lot with any
modicum of acceptable performance.
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Old August 14th 05, 10:00 PM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
Hitch Lock
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Default Towing Cars

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
kram wrote:

My brother is thinking about buying a Focus 1.8TDCI Saloon and wants
to tow a caravan, preferably a 5 berth. Being new to caravanning
myself and not knowing too much about weights of cars and caravans,
can anybody shed any light on whether this car would be suitable or
should he be looking for at least a 2.0 litre.

Thanks in advance


Does he have a particular caravan in mind, and what's it's all-up weight?

Guessing that it's at least 1100Kg, in order to meet the 85% recommendation
[i.e. the all-up weight of the van shouldn't exceed 85% of the kerb
(unladen) weight of the car (for good towing stability)] he'd need a car
whose kerb weight was around 1300 Kg - which the Focus almost certainly
isn't.

Put that lot together with some people and luggage in the car - and you've
got a total train weight in the region 2700 Kg. I would have thought that
even a 2 litre engine might be a bit marginal to pull that lot with any
modicum of acceptable performance.
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Old August 15th 05, 12:15 AM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
Ian
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"kram" wrote in message
...
My brother is thinking about buying a Focus 1.8TDCI Saloon and wants to
tow a caravan, preferably a 5 berth. Being new to caravanning myself and
not knowing too much about weights of cars and caravans, can anybody shed
any light on whether this car would be suitable or should he be looking
for at least a 2.0 litre.

Thanks in advance

I suggest he checks out http://www.cuddles.abelgratis.net/kerbweights.htm ,
as someone else posted earlier. Depending on age, layout, spec etc of his
chosen caravan he's probably looking at getting a caravan with a weight of
between 1200kg to 1600kg. A wide range I'll admit but so is the choice. If
weight is limited and the kids are old enough he could try a smaller van
with a bedroom annex on an awning, although the weight of the awning has to
be taken into account.
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Old August 15th 05, 12:15 AM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
Ian
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"kram" wrote in message
...
My brother is thinking about buying a Focus 1.8TDCI Saloon and wants to
tow a caravan, preferably a 5 berth. Being new to caravanning myself and
not knowing too much about weights of cars and caravans, can anybody shed
any light on whether this car would be suitable or should he be looking
for at least a 2.0 litre.

Thanks in advance

I suggest he checks out http://www.cuddles.abelgratis.net/kerbweights.htm ,
as someone else posted earlier. Depending on age, layout, spec etc of his
chosen caravan he's probably looking at getting a caravan with a weight of
between 1200kg to 1600kg. A wide range I'll admit but so is the choice. If
weight is limited and the kids are old enough he could try a smaller van
with a bedroom annex on an awning, although the weight of the awning has to
be taken into account.
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Old August 15th 05, 12:20 AM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
Ian
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Also http://www.cuddles.abelgratis.net/vandata.htm to check the weight of
some caravans
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Old August 15th 05, 12:20 AM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
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Also http://www.cuddles.abelgratis.net/vandata.htm to check the weight of
some caravans
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Old August 15th 05, 07:13 AM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
Geoff Lane
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"Hitch Lock" wrote in
:

Does he have a particular caravan in mind, and what's it's all-up
weight?

Guessing that it's at least 1100Kg, in order to meet the 85%
recommendation [i.e. the all-up weight of the van shouldn't exceed 85%
of the kerb (unladen) weight of the car (for good towing stability)]
he'd need a car whose kerb weight was around 1300 Kg - which the Focus
almost certainly isn't.


According to the Ford website, the new 1.8 Duratorq diesel has a
kerbweight of 1397kg as a "Zetec" and 1406kg as a "Titanium", with a
manufacturer's towing limit of 1500kg. So, that's an 85% figure of at
least 1187kg. It looks to have a short rear overhang, and so I suspect it
would be safe coupled to a 1200kg caravan.

However, the site that Ian suggests shows the older Focus to be a lot
lighter (1288kg for the 90bhp version and 1328kg for the 115bhp 2002
models), 85% figures of 1094kg and 1128kg, and manufacturers towing
limits of 1200kg and 1300kg respectively.

HTH,

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Old August 15th 05, 07:13 AM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
Geoff Lane
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Default Towing Cars

"Hitch Lock" wrote in
:

Does he have a particular caravan in mind, and what's it's all-up
weight?

Guessing that it's at least 1100Kg, in order to meet the 85%
recommendation [i.e. the all-up weight of the van shouldn't exceed 85%
of the kerb (unladen) weight of the car (for good towing stability)]
he'd need a car whose kerb weight was around 1300 Kg - which the Focus
almost certainly isn't.


According to the Ford website, the new 1.8 Duratorq diesel has a
kerbweight of 1397kg as a "Zetec" and 1406kg as a "Titanium", with a
manufacturer's towing limit of 1500kg. So, that's an 85% figure of at
least 1187kg. It looks to have a short rear overhang, and so I suspect it
would be safe coupled to a 1200kg caravan.

However, the site that Ian suggests shows the older Focus to be a lot
lighter (1288kg for the 90bhp version and 1328kg for the 115bhp 2002
models), 85% figures of 1094kg and 1128kg, and manufacturers towing
limits of 1200kg and 1300kg respectively.

HTH,

--
Geoff Lane
Cornwall, UK
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Old August 15th 05, 10:53 AM posted to uk.rec.caravanning
Hitch Lock
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Default Towing Cars

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Geoff Lane wrote:

"Hitch Lock" wrote in
:

Does he have a particular caravan in mind, and what's it's all-up
weight?

Guessing that it's at least 1100Kg, in order to meet the 85%
recommendation [i.e. the all-up weight of the van shouldn't exceed
85% of the kerb (unladen) weight of the car (for good towing
stability)] he'd need a car whose kerb weight was around 1300 Kg -
which the Focus almost certainly isn't.


According to the Ford website, the new 1.8 Duratorq diesel has a
kerbweight of 1397kg as a "Zetec" and 1406kg as a "Titanium", with a
manufacturer's towing limit of 1500kg. So, that's an 85% figure of at
least 1187kg. It looks to have a short rear overhang, and so I
suspect it would be safe coupled to a 1200kg caravan.

However, the site that Ian suggests shows the older Focus to be a lot
lighter (1288kg for the 90bhp version and 1328kg for the 115bhp 2002
models), 85% figures of 1094kg and 1128kg, and manufacturers towing
limits of 1200kg and 1300kg respectively.

HTH,


Problem is that manufacturer's limits - whilst defining the legal maximum
you can tow - often exceed the 85% recommendation by a fair margin as well
as being grossly optimistic if you expect any level of performance or need
to re-start on any half-way decent hill.

Also, from other posts, it seems that my 1100 Kg figure for a 5-berth van
may be too low anyway.
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